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#1 glwbear

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 11:04 AM

TO ALL YOU DISBELIEVERS AND TO PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY GET ALL THE TB'S READ ON!

THIS WAS POSTED ON THE FORD TRUCK FORUM!


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No mods on the ecoboost
I have been doing some research on putting a tuner on the ecoboost. Seems that since the 6.0 mess Ford has gotten smarter. Also seems that some have blown the eco in the Taurus SHO's. It appears that a tuner, CAI, removing the cats and maybe even an aftermarket exhaust system can be grounds for warranty denial.

You can make up your own mind. Mine is staying stock.


I found this on yellow bullet, a racing forum:

To: All Ford and Lincoln Mercury Dealerships
Subject: Aftermarket Modifications – Warranty Cancellation

BACKGROUND
Aftermarket companies (referred to as "tuners") attempt to increase an engine's torque and power output beyond the design limits which may cause powertrain failures. This is often accomplished by modifying the engine calibration (referred to as "chipping") but may also include modifications or adjustments to other components. Per the Warranty Guide that is provided to the customer and the Warranty & Policy Manual, failures resulting from modifications are not warranted by Ford Motor Company.

All powertrains are subject to warranty cancellation if a modification causes a failure. For the 3.5L EcoBoost technical service bulletin TSB 10-2-6 was published to enable your technicians to determine:

If a powertrain failure resulted from an unauthorized modification
If the engine, transmission, or entire powertrain warranty should be cancelled
Per the inspection process included in this TSB a Ford Motor Company inspector may assist with this analysis. When the inspection process clearly indicates that a failure was caused by an unauthorized modification/alteration the repair should not be completed under Warranty and, using the following process, the vehicle's remaining Engine, Transmission, or Powertrain warranty should be cancelled.

WARRANTY CANCELLATION PROCESS
To initiate a warranty cancellation on an affected vehicle, submit a warranty cancellation request form through FMCDealer.com. This on-line form can be accessed as follows:

FMCDealer.com
Select Parts & Service tab
Select Warranty Administration & Parts Return
Select Warranty Cancellation / Reinstatement Request Form
Complete and submit this form on-line.

Once the warranty is cancelled an OASIS message will advise all dealerships that the vehicle is no longer eligible for warranty coverage


Here is the TSB

Review Service Procedure
SERVICE PROCEDURE



Unauthorized calibration modifications may or may not be detectable using standard tools (Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), Portable Diagnostic Software (PDS), NGS+ VCM). Changes can be made to the calibration and flashed to the PCM through the OBD port. Physical modifications to the hardware may or may not be present. If aftermarket power/torque-increasing modifications are suspected, care should be taken to record and store the following items: Permanent Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs), Pending DTCs, Freeze Frame Data, Mode 6 and Mode 9 data. The data should be printed and attached to the repair order for later reference.
The DTCs, freeze frame data, Mode 6 and 9 data can be obtained by using the IDS, PDS or NGS+VCM under tool box selection. The Powertrain tab will provide the OBD Test Modes tab and Mode 6 and 9 data selection after the vehicle has been identified.


Attempting to increase the engine output via recalibrating the PCM may result in poor drivability, DTCs, or component failures. A partial list of calibration induced component failures is given below:
Piston damage.
Spark over-advanced (knock-induced damage).
Insufficient enrichment.
Excessive Cylinder Pressure:


Turbocharger damage.
Over-Speed:


Catalyst damage.
Over-Temperature/Melting:


Transmission, PTU, Torque converter damage.
Hardware Modifications:





The following list contains items that are frequently modified in an effort to increase the engines torque/power output. Modifying these items may, or may not improve the performance, but can lead to drivability issues, DTCs and possibly component failures:
Air induction system (air box, low pressure and high pressure air ducts).
The system may be particularly susceptible to flexible air ducts between the air filter and the compressors. Restrictions on either side of the compressor can result in over-speeding the turbo (Figures 5-6).
Wastegate actuator pre-tension.
The full load output of some turbocharged engines will increase if the wastegate spring pre-tension is increased. This is not the case with the EcoBoost engine. Adjusting the wastegate pre-tension out of the specified range can result in DTCs. A tamper evident paint dot has been applied to the wastegate actuator adjustment mechanism to make modifications more apparent.
Throttle inlet and intake manifold pressure sensors.
These sensors and the associated wiring should be inspected to verify they have not been modified.
Additional fuel injection devices.
The high pressure fuel system used for the EcoBoost engine will not support additional fuel flow beyond what the factory calibration requests. Inspect the engine for an additional aftermarket injector(s) located somewhere in the induction system to provided increased fuel flow.
PCV system modifications.
If the PCV system is modified (vented to atmosphere being the most common modification) it can result in a condition where oil gets past the turbine seal even on an undamaged, fully functional turbocharger. Oil in the exhaust system may not be sufficient evidence to identify a failed turbo if the PCV system has been compromised.
Compressor bypass modifications (a.k.a. blow-off valve, or anti-surge valve).
It is common to modify these components so they make more noise. If the aftermarket devices fail to seal properly when closed, elevated turbo speeds and compressor outlet temperatures will occur.
Exhaust air path/system.
Removal of catalysts or mufflers/resonators to reduce exhaust backpressure may result in over-speeding the turbo(s).
Thermostat modifications.
Blocking open the thermostat may reduce the coolant flow to the turbo chargers. Wastegate Tamper Evident Paint Dot
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Dealer said that?
Were his lips moving???


I get all the TB's and never seen it?

Before you post BS like this you need to do some reading:
Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 is a good place to start.

Here is another link to details:
Edmonds warranty issues
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#2 mikesxpress

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 12:55 PM

Same deal. Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 still applies.

TSB was released for the Tarus SHO but would still apply to the F150's.

If they can PROVE the mod did damage they can cancel the warranty. Been like that since 1975.

I have no mods to mine, nor would I do any. It runs fine like it is. Same way with the 1999 Superduty I sold and replaced it with this EcoBoost.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 03:51 PM

If they can PROVE is the key word.

If you installed a tuner, as long as you remove the tuner programming before you take it to the dealer, there is no way for them to know you had a tuner.

But the reality is, unless you have all your service done at the dealership, they can void your warrenty any way by saying you didn't actually do an oil change or required maintaince.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 04:18 PM

If they can PROVE is the key word.

If you installed a tuner, as long as you remove the tuner programming before you take it to the dealer, there is no way for them to know you had a tuner.

But the reality is, unless you have all your service done at the dealership, they can void your warrenty any way by saying you didn't actually do an oil change or required maintaince.

-ThaChad



How about if you install a tuner and blow your engine you show some personal responsibility and pay for the damage yourself? Why should Ford pay for a persons mistake?

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 05:50 AM

How about if you install a tuner and blow your engine you show some personal responsibility and pay for the damage yourself? Why should Ford pay for a persons mistake?



I don't disagree.

I'm saying, if your truck is in need of service, that has nothing to do with installing a programmer, but you have one installed. then you uninstall it before taking it to the dealer to prevent voiding any warrenty. Get the truck fixed, then reinsall the programmer.

I've use programmers for years on many different vehicals and I've NEVER seen one blow up an engine or do ANYTHING that hurt a vehical. The programmer manufactures (Stick with the big names) arn't going to release a program that is going to damage a vehical. They do just as much of not more research then the OEM does.

Now if you get custom programmers that allow you unlimited modification's to the system, then yeah you can blow up something real quick. But the ones like SuperChips or HyperTech that just isn't going to happen.

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Edited by ThaChad, 11 July 2011 - 05:52 AM.


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Posted 11 July 2011 - 08:12 AM

The Ford engineers spent allot of time and $$$$ to build this truck with the attributes it has and the reserve capacity it has. I am a mechanical engineer and can assure you that FEA (finite element analysis).This FEA is performed via computer for the engine and all the rest of the drive train to assure what ever they increase/change over here will not affect anything else over there...... Ask "Bubba the tuner dude" what increased torque you will see at the end of the half shafts on a 4X4 if you set your boost up to ??? Or flip his magic 3 way switch on the plug in? He doesn't have a clue.....

If you are trusting enough (being kind here) to buy an engine performace modification device from "Bubba the tuner dude", who in no way has the manpower or intelect to match the OEM's design workforce and then place it on your vehicle, then you have assumed the all the liability for doing that. :finger:
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Posted 11 July 2011 - 12:35 PM

If they can PROVE is the key word.

If you installed a tuner, as long as you remove the tuner programming before you take it to the dealer, there is no way for them to know you had a tuner.

But the reality is, unless you have all your service done at the dealership, they can void your warrenty any way by saying you didn't actually do an oil change or required maintaince.

-ThaChad


If you think the Ford Dealer's engine diagnostics can't find evidence of the tuner in the past you are naive.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 03:02 PM

Ditto...remember the sync option and the website you subscribed to with vehicle updates via website for service of said vehicle. These vehicles and all the computers are getting extremely technical and connected in many ways. If this truck has a service that can tell you how to get home from any location then it can tell when the truck had an ECM modification .




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